Slow down and relax, the rod can cast. But my favorite rods are also ready to cast small dries, big nymphs, indicator setups, and streamers large or small. I’ve fiddled with several longer rods, none of them very expensive. With streamers, we use the rod tip to lead the line and the fly on a path. Anyway, I have learned to take the “experts” advice with a grain of salt. After much trial and error, I now use a 10′ 5wt H3F with the mono rig, as well as a 9’6″ 5wt Sage Pulse. If I do plan for underwater presentations in the mountains, I usually choose an eight-and-a-half or nine-foot option, for the extra reach and added ability to keep line off the water. Where to Start: Redington Butter Stick, 7'6" 4 weight - Excellent for smaller streams and tighter quarters! Your points on long (11 plus feet…) rods are just the same ones I have learned a hard way in practice. Thanks. But usually, longer roads have longer load times, and they feel less powerful. I settled on a Hardy 10′ 4wt as my versatile solution. My clients broke off less and landed more fish. Definitely an acquired taste. Is a rod that is longer or shorter than your current 9' going to help you? Fly Casting, Fly Fishing Strategies, Tactics. Clearly the 9' rod has become the standard with single-handers. But this is a non-pro talking. Advancing techniques and angler trends encourage companies to adapt and build new gear that suits those needs. If the rod is eleven feet, then holding the rod to your right makes the fly track eleven feet to the right instead of back to your position. In this case you may be simply rolling, dipping and dapping because there is usually no need for a back cast. . It does make it "average." And the longer the rod, the greater is that distance. Even though that ESN is literally welded to my hand most of the season, I just don’t have the total control of accuracy like the shorter rods offer. And the easiest place to start is to know your distances. Remember, anything that touches the water drags. Increasing the length of trace outside of the rod tip is essentially the same as lengthening the rod. I hand many of my guided guests different rods throughout the day, and they all remark on the differences of each rod. And my own point of compromise leans toward tight line, Mono Rig, nymphing tactics, because that’s what I spend much of my time doing. It was too heavy and too flexible at the tip. I have never had lots of money to put toward fishing, with that being said versatility has become a must with all things fly fishing for me. For example, thin fly lines such as Cortland’s .022 inch level line or Rio’s Euro Nymph line make it easier to lift and hold the line above the water. On the other hand, I have friends who spend all their river time just tight lining nymphs. thanks, Dear Dom, One more negative foot long rods. The theory says the shorter rod is easier to move faster which would help you develop tip speed faster making it easier to cast, but the longer rod gives you more leverage which makes it easier to cast I have 4wt rods in 7, 7 … The only way to know is to fish it, and see how it works for you. I found a nice deal on a TFO drift a couple years ago on eBay new for $250. They have benefits from both fast action and slow action rods with very few downsides. That’s the main point. The small movements we make with our rod hand — the slight twists and pushes of the wrist — are amplified through the length of the rod. Fly anglers, however, have been slower to climb on the kayak fishing bandwagon. I usually use soft hackle wets and the shorter rod lets me put the fly on target. Fly rods come in a variety of materials, graphite and fiberglass can be found here, but also bamboo. I sold it on eBay several years ago for $150. The soft tips on these rods take forever to recover, and they are whippy, flexy sticks, good only for lobbing and not casting. With the tip of the fly rod further from your hand, that tip is more difficult to control. For the record, I don’t think the differences are too subtle for most of us to notice. Perhaps I’m sacrificing versatility but do enjoy the experience of fishing various rods and experimenting what capabilities they have. I’ve received countless questions about my thoughts regarding euro lines and mono rigs. How long does it take for the rod to recover, so it’s ready to make the next quick movement? Embed Video ... Helios™ 3F 3-Weight 10'6" Fly Rod Recon® 3-Weight 10' 4-Piece Fly Rod Recon® 2-Weight 10' 4-Piece Fly Rod Clearwater® 3-Weight 10' Fly Rod … I had been using a 9’ 5 at rod for all my fishing for the past 20 years or so. When I stumbled on The Mono Rig and Why Fly Line Sucks back in 2016, I had a Loomis XLS 9′ 3wt gathering cobwebs back in the corner, and I thought, why not? Fly rods are designed to flex and recover to a resting state. But when I’m fishing longer rods with streamers, I feel jammed up too often. Making adjustments is the key to consistent fly fishing. This can also be a good choice for wade polaroiding where short, fast presentations are required. . The castability of a rod can be changed with the relationship between it and the taper of the fly line. I think what he says about recovery and accuracy, etc. Went to 3# and handles buggers and tiny nymphs alike. There’s a compromise, of course. Simply put- there is no standard (or traditional) length. Shu Fly 10 foot 4 weight was the go-to for a couple of years. This disadvantage is probably obvious. As you say, I have been quite happy with it both for mono rigs and dry fly traditional casting. The difference is noticeable, and the contrast grows larger in rods over ten feet. Sorry now off the soap box. Be part of the Troutbitten community of ideas. It’s what long-term anglers love about this game. Most of us want a rod that’s as long as possible but still short enough to mitigate the following disadvantages. And when the energy of those motions reaches the tip, the short, crisp motion we made with our casting hand results in a much larger movement at the tip. That’s been done for decades. And anything that goes under the water drags even more. The following is a list of advantages and disadvantages of short and long fly rods. PA fly fishing legend Ed Shenk was a big advocate of fishing shorter rods. (This is very similar to the tight-line leader recipe George Daniels recommends, but negates the necessity of buying several spools of various stuff.) If you know where your rod tip is, you can cast any length of rod in any cover. Most of these rods can do everything, UNTIL . Reading Water, Stories, Tactics, Walk Along. That’s an excellent point. Thanks Dom. **, ** Find all articles about Fly Rods HERE **, Enjoy the day. Thanks Dom for the advice about sticking with my older Zephrus Ultralite rather than replacing with the new one. Likewise, some power is lost with the extra length. Now try to lead the streamer directly back to you. I have a TFO 10 foot 5 weight I bought used. On my homewater, Valley Creek, I prefer my 7 foot 4 weight. For a good comparison, take one company’s nine-foot four weight for a spin, and then try the same company’s rod in a ten footer. But you’d be even more accurate with a shorter rod. . Had a Shadow2,which while was an improvement over Cabela rod has now been replaced by local rod Woodstream,almost half the weight and very sensitive. Hi. Understand that an extra foot of fly rod allows us to reach further than just twelve inches. Devin Olsen did the math on this a few years ago, possibly more, if the trout are picky enough to reject the fly at distance, Trout Like To Do What Their Friends Are Doing, Distance: Know Your Weights and Measures — Part Two, Troutbitten State of the Union — 2020 Wrap Up, VIDEO | Fly Fishing the Mono Rig: Streamers — Episode 1, Tight Line and Euro Nymphing — The Lift and Lead, Streamer Presentations — The Tight Line Dance, Fifty Fly Fishing Tips: #43 — Two Ways to Recover Slack, Get Short and Effective Drifts with Your Fly, Fly Casting — Five Tips For Better Mending, Lost Trout Are Your Fault — Streamer Fishing Myth v Truth, The Meat Eater Minority — Streamer Fishing Myth v Truth, Fifty Fly Fishing Tips: #21 — Fear No Snag, Streamer Fishing Myth v Truth — Eats and Misses. But for the discussion of accuracy, shorter rods lend you more. This year I purchased a 6’6” 3 at bamboo rod. . And my choice for thick cover is a seven-and-a-half or an eight-foot rod. And be nice. Any thoughts about whether the new one is worth it considering that I have the model before that? It was specifically made for dry fly fishing, but with the mid-flex action it’s wonderful for throwing streamers with sink tips (it’s had no problem with any of Galloup’s patterns) or nymphing with a suspender. I do plan on getting a 10.5′ echo shadow x next spring, because I think it will be a better all round rod. And there really is no other reason that doesn’t come down to the distance gained by fishing a longer rod. With the rod tip further away, our options for the fly’s path are more limited. I can switch from streamers, to nymphs to dries without any problem and the rod is stiff enough to rightline but the tip is flexible enough I can cast all but the lightest of dries just using my monorig and packing extra punch into the cast. anything that touches the water drags. . And the lighter a rod is, the easier it is for their small arms to cast. Longer rods allow us to hold more line off the water. . Yesterday I started swinging streamers and ended throwing #24 midges on the Tulpehocken. I can switch from tight-line to dries or whatever with no problems. By allowing your body to create most of the power, called body casting, the spey rod will finish the casts with considerably less arm effort. Aside from our preferences for fast or flexy, anglers now have fly rod choices of eleven feet or more. I haven’t fished streamers yet, but I think it will be fine with bead head style streamers fished Euro style, but not ideal, I know. Keeping line off the water with the extra reach is helpful for drifting nymphs and dries, but it isn’t as important with streamers, because we aren’t concerned with a dead drift (usually). I’ve become accustomed to 10 feet for larger water, and when I dust off a nine-footer it feels abbreviated. Fly fishing uses lures called artificial flies that are cast in both fresh and saltwater utilizing a rod and line. And the river. In its standard configuration the Shadow II (10 feet 3 weight) works best for me with a WF4 line. Both those rods can do everything I need for my typical trout fishing. For example, I use a 9′ 5 weight Sage Mod. I have an 11foot 4 weight. I know — you’re deadly accurate with your favorite fly rod. Your synopsis of length and casting is spot on. That’s the benefit of a longer rod. Weight forward fly lines with heavy tapered heads tend to sag, making it harder to keep them from lying on the water. The opposite obviously works for longer rods. At the heart of the puzzle is an eternal question: What do the trout want? I fish for wild brown trout in the cool limestone waters of Central Pennsylvania year round. Likewise, I’ve met anglers who wish they’d chosen a longer rod. Thanks for your feed back. But, from shorter and lighter dry fly/spring creek rods to 11' Czech style nymphing rods, length can vary dramatically. Well yes and no. It’s a great way to keep in touch. Since 2014 and 600 articles deep Troutbitten is a free resource for all anglers Your support is greatly appreciated. This rod allows me to fish all different kinds of flies, in all different kinds of scenarios and waters for all different species of fish. I choose versatile fly rods because I’m a versatile angler. Cabela's Prime Fly Rod, 7'3" 5 weight - Phenomenal! Then, as written in the article above, they start to suffer as an all around tool, in my opinion. This article answered many of my questions on what rod is best for my type of fly fishing. I have fished dry flies, small dry/dropper and nymphs with a mono line and tenkara fluoro level line with no problems on the 11′ rod. Two-handed casting has many advantages, longer cast, casting in confined areas, like high banks or trees overhanging, if you have shoulder or arm issue, casting with two hands may keep you on the water longer. If fishing larger, or more open streams, rivers or stillwaters, a longer rod of 7 1/2 - 8 foot may be more comfortable. A fly line with a short head loads a short rod efficiently and allows the angler to deliver big flies short to moderate distances quickly. Hi Don. Please share in the comments section below. Artificial flies are differ I have a 10’6” nymphing rod and one point of note is trudging that thing through mountain laurel is a painful process. So consider your goals, understand the pros and cons of a longer rod, and then find your point of compromise. I mostly agree with Harold. And whether that’s a fly line or a Mono Rig, keeping material off the water allows for more contact and more control over our flies. Most fishers love going for at least a 7-feet rod. Because keeping line off the water is a very big deal. Right? This is for swinging wet flies and streamers and is very deadly. The Hardy is far more useful except for in high winds and on lakes (I’m in Wyoming). Its all in how you cast. All of these rods can perform the necessary functions, but how well do they do it? Fish on! Dry fly with fly line is great, and helps keep line off the water. Tick. The opposite works for longer rods, slow. I would add that whether it’s a nine or ten foot rod, they tend to be more versatile than the manufacturers specify. Fly rod manufacturers today sell more rods in 9-foot lengths than any other, but that doesn't make it "standard." And if you want something extra long in your hands, you have many viable options. It is in broad principle made like any other fishing rod, but there are some major differences, and an ordinary fishing rod can't be used for fly-fishing. But why? Recently I got the recon 2020 10 foot 3 weight and love the feel. When we are in contact with the nymph, then everything our rod tip does is transmitted to the fly. There’s a lot of great options on the market. Now, in order to redeem yourself, you feel you must bash fly fishers to re-inflate your damaged ego. I had a few euro specific 10 and 10.5 footers. Don’t get to dry fly it much, but the 9’4 to 12’3 versatility works for me and minimized additional rod purchase. https://www.theessentialfly.com/blog/fast-action-fly-rod-benefits.html It matters. This means faster lure speed and greater distance. For the obvious reasons you clearly pointed out in article ‘the feel’ was just awful, resulting loss of confidence, one broken tip, missed bites… In more skillful hands and with better eleven footer, maybe…. I glad I can have more than one length rod, but I think if I could have only one rod for all round Euro style fishing, I would go with a 10.5 footer. Most of the two weights that I handle are built with a stiff enough butt section to handle the largest trout you’re likely to encounter, and the long rods in four and five weights are light enough to cast all day. So our rod hand movements are amplified with longer rods. Family. . So a specialized rod of eleven feet makes sense to them. . They are also very good tools for high-sticking with nymphs. Casting a long rod in tight cover can be uncomfortable. In fact, the "average" fly rod today may be both shorter and longer than a lot of "traditional" rods. Excellent fly rod if you are learning how to fly fish and looking to choose your first fly rod. It's … And you might have to force your elbow tight to the body to get the rod tip in the right place. It has become my go-to rod for small streams. Your rod should inspire you to want to go fishing. I’ve had friends who bought a long rod and have regretted their decision immediately. My go to reels are Redington Rise for larger, heavier rods and Orvis Battenkills (older ones made in England, not the new ones made in China). Longer rods are better roll casters, better casters with long leaders, better for line mending and steering your fly … Some of the worst rods on the market are cheaper offerings in the long range of ten or eleven feet or more. . ** For a list of my favorite fly rods, visit the Recommended Gear page here on Troutbitten. Today I fish a couple 8’ish Sage LL’s and my favorite 3100 ESN. I used to own a Fenwick fiberglass 6 foot 5 weight that I loved for small streams with lots of overhead cover. Dom, as always thanks for the insightful articles. I’ve ruined a few days this way for myself. I use a Lamson Liquid 1.5 on the Echo by the way. Bamboo rods are typically found in the higher price bracket and are reserved for only the most serious of fly fisher. Like I lost a section or something. That’s not always a bad thing. They are forgiving to the beginning fly fisherman and allow for a much easier time in learning the necessary skills when starting out fly casting. I haven’t used the latter much — the two extra pieces of rod (six inches) are often superfluous to my needs, and the weights are more than I want to deal with most of the time. Material diameter and material stiffness. That’s a tough one to admit or even understand for some people, but it’s true. Now just a five-inch strip with the rod tip up. If it takes a few seconds for the rod tip to stop bouncing and fully recover, then that’s three seconds of wasted drift (possibly more, if the trout are picky enough to reject the fly at distance). Don’t let Dom put doubts in your head. “The rod you’ll own….next” I switched from the 10’8 3 to the 10′ 3 and couldn’t agree more with all of the points you mention Dom. Shortening the rod means less material, lighter weight, and a more responsive blank. 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