I should have said did he get the idea from watching Ferris Bueller, but, he probably did. Usually PTO is tied to payroll and it doesn’t make a lot of sense for managers to have to deal with that. Presumably, if he traveled to Cuba this OP wouldn’t be in the US…?? Forging a medical note really is a big deal. If I were this guy’s girlfriend, I’d run far and fast. Exactly my point! It comes up anecdotally so often that it’s mind-boggling, really. He returns home, work busts him and fires him. However, we don’t know about your particular problem until you ask. Conclusion. I’m interpreting it that way because the automatic response when challenged in doing something you want to do is to show evidence that they’re mistaken and that you have prior permission. Which one should I read next? I don’t know anything about certifications so maybe this is an obvious question.. I’m from a fmaily of lawyers, so I told him to just talk to his lawyer for advice. I see where Mike is coming from, the OPs boyfriend wouldn’t have felt the need to forge the note and lie if the request had been handled better or the verbal approval homered. Maybe it will. I’ve worked at organizations ranging from 5 – 1500 or so employees, and arranging to use PTO has always been a matter of clearing it with the boss and then somehow telling whoever tracks payroll/benefits (by submitting a form, entering it on a timesheet, sending an email to the person who runs payroll for the tiny nonprofit, or whatever). The company has recently (within the last two weeks) been sold to another owner, and the previous owners were so tight on money, and cut the staff down to 3 managers all together and 8 employees total, that he has been the buildings maintenance, plumber, painter, and is the ONLY reason the place is still running. Either the company’s system has an obvious flaw that people are used to circumventing informally and the boyfriend wasn’t given the details of that or the boyfriend is bending the truth in his communications to the OP in order to look more sympathetic. Employer. How can people who have not been through it understand that “I got yelled at” means “I was capriciously and cruelly verbally abused for hours for not guessing the position of today’s deliberately moved goal posts?” My Dad did that to the rest of the household, including my Mum. There was no refund available for the travel arrangements available to him. Like when Simon Illyan asked Miles if there was anything he needed to tell him about that last mission report… (Lois McMaster Bujold’s Memory, great book with some good management in it!). Maybe this was a one-time lapse of judgment in an otherwise full of integrity person. Based on the assumption he is super familiar with his company’s leave policies (as I hope he is), why did he choose this time (or agree to it when someone else planned a trip)? From our point of view, it’s putting morals to the side, but there is a morality of looking out for one and one’s own (family). This works well to show to the employers for missing work. It’s no big deal for you to hold that opinion, but when you respond to other commenters as if they’re holding the same set of assumptions as you it’s a little confusing. This poor guy just got fired and you want him to lose his boyfriend/girlfriend? But once someone refused to admit they screw up — Bye, Bye, don’t buy bonds. Students can also use Dr note or fake doctors excuse note to send with sick leave application as a written proof of sickness. I agree with her point about survival, but just think this guy is beyond that in his level of planning and later threats. We have had no bumps in the relationship to date. Sure, but I didn’t say “DTMFA,” I said, “think long and hard.”. And it was the lamest forgery attempt I’ve ever seen. If we’re going to live life to account for every last weird thing that could happen I would be requesting my assignments from my boss in writing, notarized and counter-signed by a witness. One thing I always try to talk to my clients about is how to navigate situations like this so that they don’t jeopardize their future employability. A little late to the party here….but no, there aren’t other factors at play. That’s not a real note.” But instead of taking a step back he went full speed forward. I think it comes from one’s feeling of not being in power. That makes no sense what so ever. What the OP’s boyfriend did did not make it right, however, I don’t know what I would have done in that situation myself! Yay. I’m not saying that’s what happened here (although I read the letter as implying that he had not followed up about it), but I wouldn’t be the least surprised to find out that’s what happened. I don’t think so, and I think it is really, really unfortunate that so many people accept that “sometimes that is how things are.” Nobody should be put in that situation, I would argue that any company should absolutely avoid doing that to someone. My reply is in moderation because it has a link in it, but there is (IMHO) no *bad* order to read them, because Lois does such a good job of dropping clues about what has happened in previous books. I believe it is a reasonable assumption to assume that a boss can forget about a vacation request and do so with no malice. And if my employer makes promises then I expect them to be just as upheld too! It works about the same way in the U.S., except the fee is closer to $30 or $40 with good insurance. I disagree that the employer has “way more agency here.” I have my very expensive dream vacation I’ve been saving up for for years scheduled in two weeks. I almost choked on my OJ. If (b), I’d go to A Warrior’s Apprentice, which is the first Miles book. Everyone here would be sympathetic, and Alison would probably even say “Hey, it’s a significant financial loss, but explain it to them, see if there’s anything they can do for you, and then carefully consider if you want to work for that kind of employer.” The appropriate response to being screwed over is to try to find another job, suck it up and deal with it, or find a way to make it mutually beneficial for them not to do that. You will slowly reset the maladaptive thoughts and patterns. While many people use fake doctors notes, you must be warned that if found out, you could lose your position. Legally? A fake doctors note generator uses low-quality designs for these elements to save money, and frequently it shows. Actually, that line tripped something for me. But of course, it doesn’t mitigate what he did. We know the bf was wrong to lie to his boss about his absence. I think firing seems like a pretty logical response here, tbh, regardless of what happened before. I trust that OP is wise enough to make judgments in that arena without all of us piling on. That’s what made me think he panicked — “I can’t get out of this ahhhhh” instead of “These are sunk costs, but I don’t want to lose my job. He’s not going to get his job back, and I highly doubt a lawsuit would do anything but lose him money. I’ve heard of systems set up this way. It only seems like a survival tactic. You can also get great and fake doctor’s note at places like bestfakedoctorsnotes.net [box type=”bio”] You Could Change The Date on the Notes / Excuse. If an employee asks for a note for an employer to prove sick leave, the employee is essentially giving authorization for the doctor to disclose PHI to the employer (namely, that the doctor has seen the patient/employee). Saying that the Employer didn’t know they were going out of country doesn’t mean anything to me because it’s a very common practice not to discuss plans for time off. The mature thing to do would have been to approach the boss and discuss things, including the new information that he had actually purchased a plane ticket. Just mention the mobile number of the doctor and ensure that someone will pick up the call and talk on behalf of the signed doctor. Agreed. And they’re looking at it from the perspective of what they think is best for the OP, not from the employee. It was surreal, and reminded me of dealing with a toddler covered in chocolate insisting no, I didn’t get in to the chocolate. I’ve got to wonder how valuable an employee this guy was. It’s true they did a sucky thing but for him to use that as an excuse for the bad-ness of his thing (the forgery) is like saying “yeah, it’s true I keyed your car and trashed your house, but you called me a rude name first so it’s your fault!”. By that logic, feigning a death in the family to get an extension on a paper in college is a red flag for health care fraud or plagiarism is a red flag for infidelity. But it could have been a momentary lapse in judgment. No. Yes, he was mistaken in how HPAA works, but he definitely thought about it. Memory does have some good management, but I’ve always thought there was a bit of bad personnel reading too. Sounds like he was just trying to bend the universe to his will, the universe denied him (and no one should be surprised that it did in this instance) and now needs to save face. Fake Doctors Note For Work With Signature. If PTO rolls over in July, and you can’t book time off for later in July until the first of July, doesn’t this mean you can’t vacation between the 1st and the 14th of July? A doctor's note that has been signed and dated and written on the doctor's letterhead along with a general description of the condition(s) is usually sufficient. They believe no one will listen. “If I do things the straightforward way, it will not go well for me. And at 8 years old, I understood that being screamed at for trying to sweep the floor because I “did it wrong” the day after being screamed at not “taking initiative” with a follow-up of “you don’t sweep, you don’t mop, you’re useless!” was completely unfair. Make a doctor’s signature that sets you apart. This is a pretty terrible thing to say, actually. It would have been difficult logistically to rescheudle all of these things I’m asusming. So they may have to only use, for example, 2.5 years of the 3 years. Plus, she’s asking for advice for her boyfriend. I never said forgery was acceptable, but the discussion was had and verbal approval was given. (and there are a lot of them out there, both in the workplace and the dating scene). If he were denied the original request in this situation, talking to the manager about it honestly would, in his mind, entail the unacceptable risk of being told he couldn’t take the vacation days despite the booked flight (especially if he felt the manager didn’t like him or didn’t care either way). It sounds like the request was put in July 2, with the vacation starting the 9th — it wouldn’t be over the holiday weekend. I think you do need to understand the world and the characters, or Memory won’t make nearly as much sense. Fake Hospital Note Template Elegant Fake Doctors Note Excuse Template Line Free Download. Free Simple doctor’s note . “What is THAT? It could just be writing style to say they talked about time off or it could be they literally only discussed mid-July. I do wonder if there was already some resentment from the BF toward this workplace and if this was a final “I’m tired of them jerking me around!” thing. This is, to put it mildly, not the personality type that makes for a calm, rational, gaslighting-free relationship. I’ve certainly been approved for a December 20 – January 2nd vacation request when I would receive a new vacation allotment on January 1. I think I even more dislike the failure to accept responsibility which seems to be the BF’s MO as well. Dude, get a clue. That sort of emotional abuse is intended to give the abuser dominance and the satisfaction of the anger. I think it’s not fair to blame the manager without knowing it happened, though, and we don’t know that. This comment makes them make so much more sense to me. I used to be the kind of person (teen years) that would “double down” on a lie I had created to get myself out of a bad situation – to me, that’s the only course of action that makes sense – if you’re going to go through the trouble to create the lie (or really to get what you want), then your best option is to be committed to it. I wouldn’t go through the effort of forging a note from a doctor. I’m pretty ok with the ‘this guy is a liar with no integrity’ label, personally. That said, that’s not a quality I want in an employee, if the “things they otherwise would never do” is something dishonest. Doctor signature . There are consequences associated with the use of fake doctor’s notes and these could be very serious. He could have said, “My head was in the wrong place. I have one job and if I lose it, thats 100% of my income gone. – how is the BF in other areas of his life? Sure, he has the right to not discuss his medical issues and he can chose not to. Even if you cant do any of those things, it’s not to lie and forge your way into getting what you want. Why would you say “no” as opposed to “we cannot disclose that information one way or the other”? If this is part of a pattern, I’d want to DTMFA too. Does it not? This is important for your note to be validly executed. I’m wondering if the girlfriend will stay with him? If the boss supported the request getting some sort of exception would have been routine everywhere I’ve worked. Honestly, I know this is going to go in the direction of a pile-on on the OP’s partner, but I do want to say that I think there’s blame on both sides here. Maybe this is a result of us internalising ethical standards, since some people seem like they would be OK keeping him on? Yeah, my gut feeling if he didn’t communicate at all is that the OP’s boyfriend made a lot of assumptions about how the PTO system worked and didn’t bother to confirm them. All I remember by now is that she made up the clinic that the imaginary doctor worked at, it was The Chaucer Clinic. Everyone screws up. Use Signature. And I totally agree, this is something that would likely lead to a suspension if not outright disbarment. In this list, you'll find free fake doctors note templates that you can download, edit and print. :/. 5. Oh dear. Whoa, that’s an excellent point. A belief starts that if one does as one is supposed to do, it will blow up in her face, therefore must find a back way into the solution. I think it’s more often a mess when someone who isn’t a regular reader write in on someone else’s behalf, for some reason. I find this to be the lest offensive thing in the letter. There were other attendence issues with her, I remember that she made home made tentlike dresses in Denver Broncos colors and wore them every day. You should check your credit card terms too – I have a United Airlines credit card and when I had my accident this year I was able to get all of my travel reservations refunded through the insurance offered as part of the card. I think the boyfriend could have a problem here, if the records he kept need to be verified, how do you trust someone who hass been known to forge records and documents? My boyfriend was upset about this because he had already purchased a flight to Cuba based on the verbal confirmation from his boss. What the manager would’ve been going after here would be the OP’s boyfriend preferring to forge a note – then staying stubborn about the lie – over talking to them. Then…I didn’t have it anymore. This from the guy who says he’d be shocked if something the OP doesn’t say happened had not happened. Nothing in OP’s letter suggests he did, and assuming he did because ‘why wouldn’t he’ is making some serious assumptions. But to me the response to the holiday request falling through wasn’t reasonable so the OPs boyfriend is more at fault. What in the heck does this employer expect when the boss verbally confirmed vacation time then it was denied later after plans had been made? “I was up all night being sick” and most people will fill in the details in their heads. Honestly, I would be absolutely shocked if he did have that conversation with his boss, because if he had, I have no idea how the “medical leave” option would have been workable at all. He lies when he is denied something he wants. If I were in a position where vacation I had cleared with my boss was denied by an automated process, yes, I would be angry. @ Definite Beta Guy–because it’s a reasonable point to make and something the manager should know about. Yep. And HAD he done that, I can imagine the manager and employee jointly contacting the department who approves vacations and getting the whole thing worked out. It’s entirely possible that some items have been left out or modified to make his plight seem more sympathetic to her. Agreed. Without more information from the OP, it’s hard to say for sure, but the picture painted doesn’t make me think the manager gave explicit approval for the vacation and then yanked it. I’ll admit I’m not sure how those programs work. I hope everything works out for the best in the long run. I told him to just cut his losses and give up on going back to work there. :D. Lol at 10 year olds shaking their heads. How can you tell where he’d draw the line, if there’s something he thought we was entitled to? (That said . What’s going to happen the next time a decision doesn’t go their way or there’s miscommunication that puts them in a bind? how should your resume list a bunch of different jobs at the same place? That’s some George Costanza-level forgery right there. Yes, it is definitely a survival mechanism. Agreed all of the above. However, this should not deter you from looking for ways to obtain the note. There are US companies work that way as well. Anyways he really should have seen this coming. Lying as a little kid was a survival tactic, but I abandoned it in my teens. I’ve worked plenty of jobs where a written approval is just not a thing anyone would do, it’s all always verbal. There’s a HUGE chunk missing. However, I would not express that anger because it is not appropriate at that time. Of course, the better option would have been to tell the truth in the first place. BF’s actions look very different to me than the reflexive lies of an abuse victim avoiding trouble. However, it should go without being said that the reaction to that isn’t forging doctor’s notes! Oh god, I haven’t even thought of it that way. Forging a doctor’s note isn’t smart or ethical, but fine, he messed up. The Note Must Look Authentic A fake doctors note has to look like an actual doctor's excuse note. I’ve never seen travel insurance that was worth it (purchased separately or through my credit card) for anything other than natural disaster, political unrest, illness, or death. Nice article on genuine medical notes. When I’m in a position of authority, one of the things that drives me nuts is people who present me with a solution without explaining what the problem is, and that’s kind of what this feels like. It’s not an impossible thing for people to operate like that, and given that the letter doesn’t mention that he did talk to the manager, it’s unreasonable to insist he must have. But my guess in this situation, most cases the doctor you get to clear you for work would be the one who you got a note from for approval to leave work. I’m saying that in addition to him being very in the wrong, it’s also stupid and short sighted of the business to have an effective blackout for no reason other than technical incompetence or other pointy-haired reasons. Waaaaaah HIPPAA, you’re all out to get me.” If he had come clean I would have said “okay well don’t let it happen again” and watched very closely until he earned back the trust. I do NOT make enough money to just throw away the cost of airfare tickets. This was an elaborate lie that required some planning and effort to be deceitful, a doubling down when he had the opportunity to fess up, and then blaming the company for the consequences of his behavior (HIPAA? Instead of bringing the problem with the system to a person who had any authority to fix it, he went straight to forging a doctor’s note and lying to his manager. A vacation request gets denied and all of the sudden there is a medical issue. Those aren’t values I want in a partner. That logic is definitely not ideal in situations like this, though, if it isn’t able to figure out the employee’s PTO allotment for a future date. He received verbal approval from his boss before hand because he knew the system wouldn’t allow him to make the request officially until later. Idk, that sounds pretty normal to me if I’m understanding it correctly. 6 months is very new and very hard to be just out of such a difficult situation. Find out what the boss says. That chunk is where the boyfriend approached his manager when the time was denied and the manager told him too bad. With a letterhead in the header area of doctor’s note, it includes date and provision for the patient’s name … At a time you get a professional medical receipt, You may as well ask for the medical doctor’s to jot down a Notice. His first plan of action was to come up with a scheme to still be able to go on his trip. Let this be a warning for others – if you choose to work at an employer, you have to adhere to their leave policies, whether you like them or not. I can’t respond to Mike C below, so, I’m leaving this here. One of the first things to encounter out in the world is that not everyone reacts in that manner. My actual stance here is that this whole thing is a cluster of a situation, that the employer screwed the boyfriend out of a vacation they were approved for, painted the boyfriend into a corner, and then the boyfriend made some bad decisions in response. As it is, the company doesn’t feel the need to re-evaluate their leave processes or change their management procedures. He asked about it, but not sure how indepth that conversation went. It makes no sense…. And I know there’s a ton of ways to get to Cuba, but they’re all kind of sketchy with the truth-details. Not to say a manager can’t revoke it, but it puts the pressure back on the company if he vacation is denied. No, it shouldn’t have been. Print faux medical doctors notes, excuses, letters and slips to excuse from something, with ease. It’s mostly to be taken as a joke, sorry. I can too. 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